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list wars --- a plea for flexibilityBernhard Riedel
- Fri Jul 16 23:37:32 2004
Honorable BIM list members,
I hereby formally withdraw my seconding of the "Seoul" for this month.
I had erroneously assumed that my posting had made that clear.
As required by the rules, I also individually name Hubert Feyrer and
declare him to be both a BIM list subscriber and a BSD person.
He asks me to withdraw this month's nomination of "Seoul" restaurant in
Because of technical problems, Hubert couldn't post in person.
My mail seems to have set fire to some powder that has been lying
around for a while. I didn't intend to start a flamewar.
But now that it has broken out, I want to add my humble opinions.
I highly value the effort Julian has been and is investing into BIM
and the Stammtisch. This made me keep silent until now about a few
things I consider to be counterproductive.
A little bit of structure is very useful, but we should be careful not
to fall into the trap of overregulation and micromanagement.
I personally had hoped that BIM Stammtisch would be more like a
Kirchentag than like a Kardinalsfachtagung.
After all, we want to generate more interest in BSD, don't we?
BSD is an important part of my life, but I'm no pimplefaced geek
anymore, I'm a social being.
I happen to prefer the BSD community over other communities because I
met many people who are open-minded, don't proselytize and don't think
everybody not in the same church has to be evil or stupid.
And I would prefer that our reputation and the image that we project
towards the world reflect that attitude.
I caught myself wondering if I'm enough of a "BSD person" to be
eligible. After all, I've only been using NetBSD since 1996, only on
5 platforms, I tried to help newbies on IRC, helped with translations
and found and sometimes corrected a few bugs, but I never did anything
significant like kernel work.
Groveling around the BIM webpages, I noticed that I began feeling
aggressive... I searched for information and had to wade through
long and repetitive tirades about idiots wasting Julian's precious
time. I don't know how much precious time was invested into writing
these texts, e.g. http://berklix.org/robot/diy.html... but I got a
distinct feeling that I was being treated like a hopeless idiot and
that *my* time was being wasted.
Less patient people than myself might even feel insulted by some
The problem may exist, but I doubt that such an approach will help it.
About the "Nazi attitude" thing. I probably wouldn't have said that,
"anal retentive control freak attitude" is probably what Daniel intended
This being said, "attitude" != "conviction".
Or is a "cavalier attitude" towards "random bf/gf/spouses" a sign of
And please let's limit the discussion to the body of messages, not the
often randomly generated signatures... or we might as well start arguing
about message ids or subliminal messages in pgp sig blocks.
Still I hope that, after the thunderstorm will be over, the air will be
clear and we won't end up with two understaffed groups.
This would especially be in the interest of people who don't live in
Munich and have a limited budget of time and money.
Cheers, Bernhard Riedel.
까마귀 날자 배 더러진다.